Re: [ProgSoc] BEA WebLogic (was strange names)

[Abhishek Malaviya <abhishek@nospam.progsoc.uts.edu.au>]

First and the most important feature -
It works right after it says - installation completed!! and the reboot 
with really minor
like infinitesemally (sp?) small things to be done after that.
Has a great console to monitor the server and even make changes to
connection pools, security realms, etc etc.

Compare that to Tomcat ( which I am forced to use because some lame ass is
sitting on his smelly butt and not giving UTS their licenses for
BEA).. one has to keep changing the xml files to add security realms,
users etc etc.. which takes seconds in Weblogic. same goes for other
things. Oh yes Tomcat is just a container and not an app server (so
probably this not an apples to apples comparison) and thus definitely have
no support for EJB.

I havent seen other app servers like ATG or Websphere so cant really
comment on them. the Java reference edition have heard does offers a
console but
what is also said is that it not really stable and thus not yet worth the
effort (only selling point is that its free, i guess which can be
motivating enough for a lot of people).

If u read the last msg there was a link to a comparison of features of the
various app servers available for J2EE.

As for really indepth  features.. I have only read them on the
website.. never tried i am yet to reach that stage.. considering I am new
to J2EE in the first place.

I do agree to the point that BEA is the most popular becoz of its links
with Tuxedo and that really matters. Even Accenture has now recently
shifted to BEA for their middleware implementations for thier clients and
are building strong J2EE based products. Their KX (incase any of u have
interest in Knowledge Management and related areas) is probably going to
have some newere components done in J2EE and with WebLogic.

Abhishek


On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Anand Kumria wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 11:35:47PM +1000, Abhishek Malaviya wrote:
> > >From my recent interaction with the product. I must agree.. its really
> > good. and has heaps of features..I tried using Tomcat and also
> 
> Specific features?
> 
> > JRun (have no clue about Websphere :(, but BEA offered the max
> > flexibility (plus the Uni only supports BEA as BEA has given free license
> > to every student who does the subject :D
> 
> I think the fact that you've gotten a licence without monetary cost is
> clouding your judgement. If you had to pay for it -- as I have in a
> commercial setting -- you'd soon see that everything it claims to have
> is done better by other products. You don't actually need a transaction
> monitor to do "web applications".
> 
> A reasonably competent programmer can do a better/faster job. A decent
> network admin can setup automatic failover far more simply.
> 
> > 
> > On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Suresh Rajagopalan wrote:
> > 
> > > It has a lot of web transaction management features. Actually it has a
> > > whole bundle of features. Is one of the best app servers around.
> 
> Which, I've discovered, work flakily at best. In particular don't bet your
> company on its failover features - it doesn't work. If you want an example
> of a company that uses it and it demonstrably doesn't work; email off list.
> 
> > > On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Matthew Flanagan wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Can someone explain to me why BEA WebLogic is so popular? I'm in London 
> > > > at the moment and every second or thrid job ad here has this in it, 
> > > > especially in finance. This time last year it was hardly to be seen.
> > > > 
> 
> I think its popularity has got to do BEA owning Tuxedo. Tuxedo, also a
> transaction monitor, appears to be widely used especially when dealing
> with "legacy" systems.
> 
> BEA bought Tuxedo a few years ago -- in the last few years they've managed
> to move the Tuxedo team into java and integrate Tuxedo (the C transaction
> management) with Weblogic (their Java based one).
> 
> The only good thing about Tuxedo as a transaction monitor is that it works.
> The only good thing about Weblogic is that it can talk to Tuxedo.
> 
> Anand, not bitter at the many late/sleepless nights supporting crap BEA
> software. No, not bitter at all.
> 
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